Cedar roofing
Lebanon CEDAR SHAKE ROOFING SERVICES
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A Leader in Cedar Shake Roofing in Lebanon
Cedar shake roofing is a testament to authenticity and a connection with nature. As leaders in the field, Origin Roofing and Exteriors takes pride in offering homeowners a roofing solution that goes beyond aesthetics. Our cedar shake roofing provides not only a distinctive and textured surface but also durability that stands the test of time. Our team understands your desire for a home that reflects warmth and character. Contact us today for a free inspection, and let us turn your vision of a rustic and charming home into reality.
We also specialize in metal roofing, slate roofing, and asphalt shingle roofing services.
Types of Cedar Roofs Roofs We Install
Cedar Shake Roofing
Crafted from hand-split cedar, cedar shake roofing has a rustic charm that adds character to your home. These shakes offer a textured surface that not only enhances curb appeal but also provides durable protection. Ideal for homeowners seeking a classic and enduring roofing solution, cedar shakes offer a distinctive and timeless look.
Advantages of Cedar Shake Roofing
In addition to offering charm and beauty to homes, cedar shake roofing has other great benefits: bulleted list of advantages
- Natural Insulation: Cedar shakes provide inherent thermal insulation, helping regulate indoor temperatures and potentially reducing energy costs.
- Durability: Resistant to decay and insects, cedar shakes offer longevity, standing up to the elements and ensuring a reliable roofing solution.
- Environmental Sustainability: Cedar is a renewable resource, making shake roofing an environmentally friendly choice for homeowners concerned about sustainability.
As a full-service roofer, Origin Roofing and Exteriors can handle all of your roofing and home exterior needs, from residential and commercial roofs to siding and gutters. Give us a call today to schedule a free inspection with our friendly roofing specialists in Lebanon!
We wanted to stay with a local company for a new roof and gutters, and couldn’t have made a better choice. From start to finish we were nothing but pleased. Edgar was information, honest, and explained every step and detail along the way. There were no surprises, constant communication and his team worked quick, clean and efficiently. Highly recommend them for your next housing project.
Best roofing company in town! Look no further, I have already done the research for you. They really care about what they do and they are more knowledgeable than the other companies In Lebanon I called to come give me an estimate for my roof replacement. Edgar and his team explained to me all the local roofing codes and why certain roof components needed to be installed and how to install them. They also provided my pictures of not just before and after, but also during the install so I knew everything was being properly installed. They also cleaned very well and took very good care of my plants. I will say, they are not the cheapest, but they are worth every penny. I have learned the hard way, that you get what you pay for and going cheap, will cost you more in the long run. You can either do it right the first time or you can do it twice. Thank you Origin for my new roof. I will 100% recommend you to everyone I know. If I could, I would give you 10 stars.
Edgar was great to work with. He showed up on time and was very professional. I called because of a leak that was occurring around a pipe flashing that would have lead to major damage in the future. Edgar inspected the entire roof. Took many detailed pictures of other potential future problem areas that would eventually lead to additional leaks and explained what would have to be done to fix the those item.
The work was completed within the timeframe that we discussed. Edgar showed pictures of the completed work for all of the items that were addressed.
Overall I am very pleased with the professionalism and experience and would not hesitate to recommend or use Origin Roofing in the future.
The work was completed within the timeframe that we discussed. Edgar showed pictures of the completed work for all of the items that were addressed.
Overall I am very pleased with the professionalism and experience and would not hesitate to recommend or use Origin Roofing in the future.
All of the five star reviews are well deserved. Edgar was great, knowledgeable, punctual.Jazmin in the office was amazing as well. They both were there to help guide us through the insurance process, which was extremely helpful. Work crew was also very professional and completed the job in a clean and timely fashion. I was showing off photos of my roof to my coworkers. It rained last night and no leaks. Thank you job well done.
Our very large, steep roof was in need of replacement so I called up a different company to take a look, I was happy enough with that company but had an itch to get a second opinion. I am SO GLAD I did. Edgar came for a visit and without any “salesman tactics” explained in 1000x more detail what was going on and how the roof replacement would work. He was patient, kind and thorough. After initiating a contract with them Origin worked closely with me and my insurance company to accomplish our roof replacement - amazing $$ saved and no corners cut due to their diligence. They were prompt and on top of every detail. Honestly the best experience I could imagine! Thank you so much!
The only reason I’m not uploading the photos Edgar provided is because of privacy, though I am so tempted to show off our stunning green roof!
The only reason I’m not uploading the photos Edgar provided is because of privacy, though I am so tempted to show off our stunning green roof!
Our experience with Origin, Edger, was very professional and detailed. It was explained what would happen from start to finish so all concerns were answered up front. The team that performed the service was on time and well coached by their supervisor. They worked basically non stop to get the job completed in the time they committed to. The attention to detail and clean up was all done to our satisfaction. All in all, we were very satisfied with Edgar and his crew and would recommend their service to anyone.
Great job by Silva and his partner on our fascia repair. He made the repairs the very next day from looking at the job. Quality work at a fair price! Thank you again! Danny R.
Great job. Performed the fascia repair needed the next day from initial visit. Timely, quality, and fair pricing! Thank you Silva!!!
I just want to start with Edgar. His knowledge and professionalism was second to none! I truly can tell he is a master of his craft. He helped me through the whole process with dealing with my insurance flawlessly, even though they made us jump through some hoops. Once that was taken care of, Edgar and his crew came out and did a better job on the roof replacement than I could ever imagine! The went all out on the roof installation and left my yard spotless. My house looks brand new and I can sleep happy at night knowing I won’t have any leaks. I truly can’t recommend them enough! If I could I’d give them 10 stars!! 100%
I woke up to a roof leak. Edgar was able to come out the same day and repaired it in the same trip. He explained everything he did, showed before and after pictures, and was very professional. Later that day we had flash flood warnings and got 4-5 inches of rain, none of which got into my house thanks to the repair that Edgar performed.
Edgar is an absolutely fantastic representative of your company. Not just for such a hard working field. But his professionalism and thoroughness mirrors that of premium services across any industry. Keep challenging him. Keep promoting him. He's a good one.
Great quality, communication and customer service. Edgar used a drone to photograph the gutters and give a quote for cleaning and leaf guard installation. No high pressure sales or constant call backs. I shopped around and decided to work with Orgin. They scheduled me quick, finished the job then did a final review after I got home from work. Very easy and professional.
Very quick response to our leak problem. I called Friday afternoon, Edgar came Monday morning. He investigated, clearly explained the problem and solution, and fixed it immediately for a very fair price. We will use Origin again for any exterior work we might have.
It was a great experience working with Origins. They made the process so easy working with us and our home insurance. We absolutely loved working with Edgar, he really knows his stuff. Origins was referred to us by one of my coworkers. I would absolutely recommend them to everyone.
World class service, best pricing, and they offered financing when no one else did! Five stars highly recommended!
You won’t do better than Origin Roofing and Exteriors. You won’t get anybody better than Edgar. We had a full roof and gutter replacement and the finished product was flawless. They’re successful because they have multiple crews that specialize in each aspect of a home. Whether it’s the roof, gutters, doors, windows, siding, etc. They have the right crew for any project. One conversation with Edgar about your home and you’ll sleep better knowing you made the right choice.
Very reasonable and very professional. He works really fast and does the job well on my gutters 🤙
Honestly amazing team and amazing people hard at work always interacting and keeping a good positive energy with everyone!!!
Absolutely amazing service! The team is professional, efficient, and truly great at what they do. Everyone I interacted with was polite, knowledgeable, and clearly cared about delivering high-quality work. Their attention to detail and commitment to customer satisfaction really stand out. I highly recommend them to anyone looking for reliable and top-notch service!
Great Experience! I worked with Edgar and he was quick and efficient. Received a quote and repairs completed all in the same day.
I had a great experience with this roofing company from start to finish. The team was professional, punctual, and clearly very skilled. They walked me through the entire process and helped me choose the right shingles for my home. The quality of the shingles they installed was outstanding not only do they look fantastic, but they also feel durable and built to last. The crew worked quickly but paid great attention to detail, and they made sure everything was clean and perfect before they left. I'm extremely happy with how my roof turned out and would highly recommend this company to anyone looking for quality materials and top notch service
I couldn’t be happier with the shingle work this company did on my home. The quality of the shingles is top-notch—durable, great-looking, and built to last. The team was professional, efficient, and paid close attention to detail. Not only does my roof look fantastic, but I also feel confident knowing it’s protected for years to come. Highly recommend this company for anyone looking for excellent craftsmanship and service!
Edgar is a nice guy and he is very knowledgeable and he gave me a quote right on the spot. Anytime I need my roof done again, I'll let Edgar know.
USE THIS COMPANY FOR YOUR ROOFING!!! I can’t express enough how good of a job they did on the shingles of my house, and how kind and informative they were about the entire process. They helped me choose the best choice of shingles and explained the pros and cons of them and helped me pick one that was right for my home. They got the job done quick and made absolutely no mistakes, and on top of that, they even helped me out with a few other exterior operations to my house. Shoutout to Edgar for being very kind to work with and will answer any and all questions you have! Will definitely come back to them for any future innovations!
The entire process was seamless. Edgar was amazing and so helpful!!
Silba and Carlos did great work !!
I would highly recommend Origin!!
Silba and Carlos did great work !!
I would highly recommend Origin!!
Origin Roofing is top notch. Edgar and his crew has completed a few projects for me with the highest quality. Origin Roofing if our go to for any roofing projects.
Edgar, was great, he answered all my questions, and was very frank with my on the best route to take, .thanks
I recently hot my roof inspected by Origin Exteriors. It was handled by Edgar and his team. He was professional and paid attention to all the details. He had to come over twice for same work due to some unavoidable reasons and he executed the same task twice with same precision and detailing.
I highly recommend Origin Exteriors for any home improvement project.
I highly recommend Origin Exteriors for any home improvement project.
Highly Recommend! I had some fascia and a few shutters blow off in a storm Wednesday evening. I called Thursday afternoon and spoke with Jasmine, who politely helped me schedule an appointment for a quote the following day (Friday) at 11am. Edgar called when he was 10 minutes away and arrived on time. He was professional, polite, very knowledgeable, and positive. He color matched the fascia, confirmed they had inventory, and answered all my questions. Another job was finishing up that morning and he had his crew heading my way within minutes of agreeing to move forward. It was lightly raining, but they didn't hesitate starting and finishing the job that same day. The job was done by 3:30pm. I am very satisfied with their great work and attitudes.
Edgar did an awesome job. He was responsive in an emergency situation, honest, fair, and great communication.
During the storm last night, some flashing came off my eave. I called Origin first thing this morning and by noon Edgar showed up and repaired the flashing and had it looking good in no time. Thank you for your quick response and friendly service!
Was great doing business with Origin. Edgar was great. Responsive, we signed a contract, and scheduled install. They showed up and did a good job. I will be calling them again for my roofing needs.
Edgar was awesome. Very kind, polite, and professional. He took the time to explain everything to me before he did it. A windstorm blew siding off our house and Edgar evaluated the surrounding area and put the drone up to make sure none of our shingles blew off as well. He was extremely knowledgeable and was able to put everything into terms I could understand. We will be using Origin in the future for sure, we couldn’t have asked for better service.
Very knowledgeable. On time for scheduled meetings. Was there throughout the roofing and gutter installation to ensure a quality job was done. Would recommend to others
From the quote to completion of work, Origin Exteriors did a great job of getting my project done at a high level. I’ll be using them again for additional work.
Great gutters and great service. They have been easy to get in touch with and always on time, I've had no problems at all.
Origin did a great job of identifying and repairing water intrusion (from a flat roof) that had gone incorrectly diagnosed by the original roofer for several years. The team did a great job of completing the work on time and budget. They also thoroughly explained what they were doing and why. Would definitely use them again and highly recommend. Edgar is top notch.
Edgar and his crew did a great job at helping take care of what needed fixed and added for our gutters. We did have an issue a few weeks after a gutter piece was fixed but I called and he literally showed up within minutes to get it taken care of!
My experience with Origin roofing was awesome. Edgar was extremely friendly thorough in explaining what was needed for my gutters. He was very patient with all my questions. I didn’t feel like they were out to get every penny from me, they were very fair priced. Edgar and his team was very quick in responding. The team who did the repairs was very friendly, they got it done fast and cleaned up after themselves. I would definitely hire them again.
These guys are very knowledgeable and made sure I completely understood the products and procedures
I had a leek in a vending pipe on the roof. Edger was very good at listening to my way I wanted the leek repair. I didn't want a major repair just a quick fix. I need to replace the roof in the spring. He did the repair I wanted for the short time fix. I will call for a bid on the roof replacement. Give him a 10 star. He is great.
Edgar was born to be in the roofing business. We had an inside leak. Edgar did the emergency repair himself then returned a few days later with a crew for the permanent repair. Extremely thorough, detailed & professional. Will only call/recommend EDGAR & HIS company moving forward.
Great job. Appreciated Edgar’s thoroughness. He was very helpful in getting our issue resolved.
They were doing work at my neighbors and when they completed the job, we asked them to take a look at our damaged soffit from a recent wind storm. We quickly got a quote and they made the repair, as well as fixed some siding that was coming loose. Great customer service and work.
Edgar was brilliant. Explained why I needed a new roof down to the studs (metaphorically). Courteous, smart, and trustworthy. He even came to my new house to assess and said the roof was fine. Good dude, good business. Came right recommended. Let them earn your business too!
Edgar did a great job keeping me informed, tho I didn't understand some of the terms he used (I'm not a roofer). All in all, I still feel like it was a job well done. The roof itself looked great when they were finished, we just have to see how it holds up after some rain. Thanks Edgar!
Very impressive company. Communication was excellent, worked hard with every aspect of the process, did a wonderful job with our new roof. Highly recommend.
Origin came in to take over a project that was already started, patio cover needed a roof, facia trim, gutters, custom framing. They were very responsive to our initial inquiry, provided an estimate quickly that was competitive, and worked us in to the schedule. They made corrections to the work that was already done to provide the best quality service and provided custom framing on this project, they kept costs in line with budget and informed us any time the cost was impacted to keep us in the decision making. Edgar was especially customer oriented, very pleasant, great communication, providing options and discussing pros and cons. We definitely would recommend Origin and Edgar for any project.
I would recommend these guys to anyone! Super friendly, professional and quick to fix my issues. 5 stars and I will definitely be calling them again!
Edgar was very thorough in explaining the problems with our roof. He took pictures of the issues to show us, and explained how he would repair each one. He was friendly and knew his trade well. After the work was done he did a review of the work and showed us what was repaired and how it was done. All of the work was done in one day. He answered all of our questions.
Larry Lankford
Larry Lankford
Phenomenal! Edgar is very knowledgeable, communicative and goes above and beyond. His team provided exceptional service and craftsmanship. They completed the repair job beautifully and I have peace of mind that my roof is properly fixed. I highly recommend Origin!
We loved working with Origin Roofing! They were extremely quick. They gave us a quote and finished our roof in one week. They went above and beyond cleaning up!! Absolutely recommend!
Great roof inspection that saved me some future headaches. Very detailed report.
Edgar and Temo did a great job installing my new gutters. They answered all my questions and made the process very easy. They were total professionals. I signed my contract on Friday and by Tuesday my job was done. Good job Origin Exteriors!
Very professional and knowledgeable about every aspect of the work. Provided the estimate and explained what was needed and why. I would highly recommend
Origin Roofing is a fantastic company. Every employee that I have meet is spectacular. Edgar always presents himself well. I meet him in front of a roofing supply store when another contractor sent me there to look at shingle options.
Origin reroofed my house dealing well with the insurance company. They also installed new 6” gutters. The whole process was easy and efficient.
Just this week they were back to get through the roof and install the venting needed for a range hood.
I whole heartedly recommend them.
Origin reroofed my house dealing well with the insurance company. They also installed new 6” gutters. The whole process was easy and efficient.
Just this week they were back to get through the roof and install the venting needed for a range hood.
I whole heartedly recommend them.
Origin Roofing and Exteriors is truly a standout company in the Greater Cincinnati area. Their exceptional customer service and attention to detail set them apart & makes them the best! From the moment I contacted them for a quote to the completion of the project, their team was professional, courteous, and highly communicative. Not only did they deliver exceptional results, but they also showed genuine care for their customers, making sure that I was completely satisfied with the work. The final outcome exceeded my expectations, and I couldn't be happier with the service I received. I highly recommend them to clients that I serve as well.
I received multiple quotes and (Edgar) with Origin Roofing provided me with 3 options and explained each of them to me. No other companies did this.
I knew before getting my roof exactly what I was getting. The communication was excellent, the professionalism was excellent and the project as well as cleanup went perfectly.
Simon and Claudio were my lead installers and they were very knowledgeable and their attention to detail was spectacular. I set very high expectations and they went above and beyond them. This is the way all companies should be, I would say if you don’t get a quote from them, you are doing yourself a disservice. I didn’t know anyone from this company before my install. I would use them for any future exterior work.
I knew before getting my roof exactly what I was getting. The communication was excellent, the professionalism was excellent and the project as well as cleanup went perfectly.
Simon and Claudio were my lead installers and they were very knowledgeable and their attention to detail was spectacular. I set very high expectations and they went above and beyond them. This is the way all companies should be, I would say if you don’t get a quote from them, you are doing yourself a disservice. I didn’t know anyone from this company before my install. I would use them for any future exterior work.
Edgar and his crew were very professional and did a great job. We had had several leaks for a long time and believe they have been finally fixed! We are pleased with their quality of work. The whole process was smooth and they got us scheduled quickly. We loved seeing the pictures they took to show us their work ( before and after). Kevin and Roberta Lebanon
We chose Origin after getting a recommendation from our neighborhood Facebook page. We called and the response was prompt, courteous and professional! Edgar was our service Rep, he was great! He listened to us, helped us and offered the best advice. The work was done quickly, completely and professionally. We are extremely pleased and wouldn't hesitate to recommend them. We would certainly use them again!!
Great experience with this local company. I will be using Origin roofing and exteriors again! I highly recommend. Very professional
Quality product (gutters & down spouts). Good job. Everything was as promised.
Communication is great. Employees are polite. Work was done well and quickly. I would recommend.
Edgar was able to identify the problem I was having with my roof and fix it fast and efficiently! He was a pleasure to work with.
I had an exceptional experience with Origin Roofing and Exteriors! From start to finish, their professionalism and attention to detail were top-notch. The team was punctual, courteous, and incredibly efficient. The quality of their work exceeded my expectations. I highly recommend Origin for any roofing or exterior needs. Their dedication to customer satisfaction is truly commendable!
Edgar has consistently provided excellence in his representation and services. He has taken the time to explain to us and gone above and beyond. I highly recommend Origin Roofing & Exteriors, and Edgar should be recognized and awarded for his commitment and leadership along with his team.
Great job siding and siding repairs! Exactly as agreed. Quick turn around as well!
Tech was knowledgeable and a pleasure to work with. Went above and beyond.
Edgar and his team are very informative and professional. I highly recommend using them. You won't be disappointed.
These guys are the best. Professional from the start. They immediately got to work and did a better job than another big company that did my gutters previously. Would recommend without hesitation.
Prompt, efficient, friendly. Very professional! Price was very fair. One item I just noticed; I need my 5th elbow that was quoted for the bottom of the 2nd downspout installef. They came back within a hr. and added the elbow. Great service! Thanks!
I recently had the pleasure of working with your team for the installation of gutters on my home, and I couldn't be happier with the results! From start to finish, their professionalism and attention to detail were evident.
The team arrived on time and worked efficiently to get the job done without sacrificing quality. They were knowledgeable and took the time to answer all of my questions, ensuring that I felt confident in the process every step of the way.
Not only did they install the gutters flawlessly, but they also cleaned up thoroughly after themselves, leaving my property looking better than before they arrived. They even saved my baby bird's nest, which my grandkids are obsessed with.
Overall, I am extremely satisfied with the service provided by. I would highly recommend them to anyone in need of gutter installation or any other services they offer. Thank you for your outstanding work!
The team arrived on time and worked efficiently to get the job done without sacrificing quality. They were knowledgeable and took the time to answer all of my questions, ensuring that I felt confident in the process every step of the way.
Not only did they install the gutters flawlessly, but they also cleaned up thoroughly after themselves, leaving my property looking better than before they arrived. They even saved my baby bird's nest, which my grandkids are obsessed with.
Overall, I am extremely satisfied with the service provided by. I would highly recommend them to anyone in need of gutter installation or any other services they offer. Thank you for your outstanding work!
This company is awesome. Eager is amazing answers all questions stays on top of job at all times. The crew work very hard . They did amazing job o. Gutters and rood. So glad I chose this company to do work. Highly recommended
Affordable, efficient, and quick. They showed up did the job and made it painless. Will be using them again.
I was very satisfied with the experience. My research made me skeptical of many touted gutter guard configurations. Edgar was knowledgeable and convinced me to try Origin's. I was quite pleased with the next day installation. Their team was courteous and professional. Edgar identified issues an recommended solutions. I would definitely consider for future efforts.
Edgar was great - the entire experience was wonderful and the quality of work was exceptional
Working with Edgar was best experience every ever better I let my neighbor know and they agreed and also got a new roof and gutters to made everything great for us seniors also everything was like it would be for him which is wonderful
On ThursdayMay 2, Edgar and his crew from Origin Exteriors roofing company replace the roof on my home. What an excellent job they did , the decking on my home also needed replacing as they notified me of the deterioration and why I had water leaking inside my home from the deterioration of the decking and the wholes that they found, in the old laminated planks decking from 1950s, every step of the way they let me know what they were doing. They also refresh my chimney with new material and show me why it would never leak with the material they used. And they hauled off all the material, that They tore off the roof and begin to scan my yard with large magnets to pick up all the nails that were in the yard, From the old material that they tore off my roof. They were on time 7 AM and at 4 PM. They were completely finished replacing my roof and cleaning up. I highly recommend this company to replace your roof when you need it replaced they are excellent workers. They took a 30 minute lunch and they were back working. Here are some pictures of my roof replacement. Melvin , Greenhills.
Working with Edgar at Origin Exteriors was a fantastic experience. We originally met with him in January for a project we wouldn’t completed in early spring. He was able to set aside a time of our choosing with no issues. Our project was a complete shed remodel which included almost all of their exterior services. Edgar was very detail oriented and went over every aspect of the materials being used for siding and roofing, options for windows and doors, and potential for any additional incurred costs that might arise once demolition started. The project took two days less than the initial estimate. All of the workers here were professional and answered all of my questions. After cleanup, you would have never even known they had been here. I couldn’t be happier with their service and would definitely recommend them to anyone in need of exterior work.
Edgar did an outstanding job! Very informative! Origin Roofing did an excellent job!
Edgar of Origin Roofing arrive on time and reviewed the leaking roof. He returned with photos and description of the problems he documented and suggested the repairs needed and why. While the repairs were previously done less than 5 years ago, by a lesser contractor and Edgar explained we can return to the contractor and show them the evidence, and get a repair done, or get a bid from Origin Roofing.
This straightforward approach with clear description of the problem is why every Lebanon Ohio and surrounding area should at least look to Origin for their roofing needs. I will be returning to Origin when the time comes to replace the roof.
This straightforward approach with clear description of the problem is why every Lebanon Ohio and surrounding area should at least look to Origin for their roofing needs. I will be returning to Origin when the time comes to replace the roof.
These guys are unbelievably professional from top to bottom and start to finish. We were kept up to date every step of the way and they all did a fantastic job. Highly recommend!
Very happy with the service and their cost. Will use for all my future needs. Can’t thank them enough
We had a great experience with our siding and gutter replacement. They helped us work with our insurance company because we had storm damage to our siding. We loved how the final product came out. They were always punctual and had great communication. We would definitely recommend them to anyone looking for siding and gutters.
Edgar Silva did great work on roof and shingle repair. He was courteous, prompt and did everything when and how it was promised. He used excellent material and craftsmanship very good. He explained the job thoroughly and took pictures to discuss finished job.
I would highly recommend.
I would highly recommend.
Hector and team we amazing. We had been looking for a company to fix one small part of our siding to roof and nobody would do it. They were soo friendly and nice and even got the job done ahead of time. They were knowledgeable and did their best to ensure our new price looked as close to the original as possible. They also ensured they were keeping everything clean and tidy and kept me updated along the process and didn’t do anything without me being in the loop. A+++ service!
Edgar was nice, educated and informative throughout the entire process. Had a chimney leak and called several companies, all with timeframes of weeks out. I called Origin hoping they could come quick after reading reviews was hoping for Edgar to help me. He was the one who answered the phone and since initially speaking to him I knew I was in good hands. From noticing the leak to the repair took three days. Edgar and his crew did an incredible job. Will refer and use them again (hope not to due to the circumstances).